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Jaden Daily: Seton Hall Media Day, These Guys Are Good!

Editor's Note:  We are thrilled to have Jaden Daily contribute his thoughts from Seton Hall's Media Day.  His blog, A Daly Dose of Hoops is a must-add to your college basketball blogroll. We look forward to continue working with Jaden in discussing Big East hoops, moving forward.  Jaden, thank you for your contribution to the Juice!

Before I go any further, I'd like to thank everyone at South Orange Juice for allowing me to be a guest contributor to this great website.  I may not be as close or emotionally attached to the Pirates as the rest of you having gone to St. John's and called three games against the Pirates during the Bobby Gonzalez era, but it is my hope that I can share some of what caught my eye yesterday afternoon when I made my way across the river to Walsh Gym for Seton Hall's annual media day.  The Pirates were picked thirteenth in the Big East preseason poll; (I myself had them in the No. 11 spot when previewing the Big East on my blog, A Daly Dose Of Hoops) but after seeing the team up close and personal during the practice session that followed the interviews, I came away even further convinced that this team would be much better than fourth from the bottom in the conference standings.  Exactly who and what stood out, you might ask?  Here are some of the lasting impressions from my trip to the Garden State.

  • No power, no problem.

Even though media day began amid a power outage throughout South Orange that was one of the factors in me getting there 20 minutes late and missing Kevin Willard's press conference, it didn't put a damper on the positive mood the team has been in on the hardwood.  I was able to get a one-on-one interview with the coach not too long after I arrived, and he was already raving about Aaron Cosby and Haralds Karlis.  (More on Karlis later when I get into practice observations)  Willard was also confident that Aaron Geramipoor would be a bigger factor now that he will be around for a full season, and all indications are that the coach "would not be shocked" if Herb Pope led the Big East in rebounding.  (I missed that quote personally, but caught it on my way in via Twitter).

  • Herb Pope is back to the 2009-10 Herb Pope.

Yes, the Herb Pope that averaged a double-double per game on the Pirate team that went to the NIT in what was the final season in the four-year tenure of Bobby Gonzalez.  After recovering from open-heart surgery in the summer of 2010, Pope's numbers regressed somewhat this past season; the Pennsylvania native insists everyone on the team is "fired up" and "trying to climb the ladder" in the Big East this season.  Pope insists that all he is looking for is to stay in consideration for the Big East Player of the Year award, and was running up and down the court faster than half the team during practice.

Follow the jump for the rest of my observations including: Jordan Theodore's maturity and the rest of the 2011-12 roster.  

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Now a senior, Jordan Theodore is ready to be the face of the Pirates this season.  (Photo courtesy of Adam Zagoria of ZagsBlog.com and SNY)

Jordan really blew me away in more ways than one when I interviewed him.  I'm now in my fifth year as a broadcaster/writer, and I had never been around a more mature and well-spoken player until I spent a few minutes with the Pirates' senior point guard.  Not only is he embracing the challenges present in being a leader, he's carrying himself like a future star while at the same time remaining grounded enough to realize the battle that lies ahead of him and his team.  Theodore had perhaps the most revealing insight to how life without Jeremy Hazell will play out, telling me this:

"Now, the scouting report's not just 'Let Jeremy go off and keep the other guys contained.'  They know I'm a good point guard, but they don't expect me to dominate." - Jordan Theodore on life without Jeremy Hazell

Jordan also recalled the adjustment process he went through last year trying to transition from the uptempo run-and-gun style of Gonzalez to the more well-rounded brand of basketball Willard is trying to foster in this incarnation of the Pirates.  Now, Theodore has taken advantage of the opportunity to bond further with Willard over the summer and run with it.  "Coming into this season, I don't think he has any problems with me running the show," said the point guard of his second-year coach.  "Since I'm the coach on the floor, he expects me to let the other guys know what he wants."  Theodore referenced his desire for a "fresh start" as the reason behind changing his number, (previously No. 10, Jordan will be wearing No. 1 this season) stating also that he "wants to go out on top" and return the Pirates to the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2006.

  • You probably haven't seen this team yet, but you'll love them.

That's how good they were in practice.  No less than five minutes after Kevin Willard started doing shooting drills, I was convinced that these guys were going to be good; and shared that sentiment with two men who know the Pirates better than I do, fellow play-by-play men Jason Guerette of WSOU and Gary Cohen of WABC, both of whom were also on hand at various points during the impromptu session.  Aside from Theodore and Pope, here's what I gathered while watching the rest of this team do what they do best: (players will be listed in alphabetical order)

Patrik Auda: Is still getting used to playing as a small forward.  He showed a lot of promise offensively in 2-on-1 and 3-on-2 situations, but looked out of place when the Pirates broke out their 2-3 zone defense.  Nothing more reps can't fix, though.

Aaron Cosby: Most likely the heir apparent to Theodore after this year.  He'll probably be the backup point guard, and could even run the point with Theodore off the ball if Willard chooses to play small.  Cosby struck me as more of a facilitator than a scorer early on; and playing with Jordan Theodore may give Pirates fans a flashback to the backcourt pairing of Paul Gause and Eugene Harvey, especially if Cosby turns into a great defender.

Fuquan Edwin: Hasn't established himself as the new Hazell like I thought he might.  Instead, he's become more of a multifaceted player.  Following a summer in which he put on about 15 pounds while also playing in the JSBL, Edwin is no longer the one-dimensional swingman I saw when he put on a show from long range against St. John's.  Said Jordan Theodore of his former high school teammate: "He's going to impress a lot of people because he's improved his game a lot."

Aaron Geramipoor: An inside presence this team has desperately needed for a long time.  If he can stay out of foul trouble and just be effective under the rim, he's the anti-Mike Davis: A big man who does all the little things right while also contributing to the cause offensively.

Sean Grennan: Maybe a third option at the point behind Theodore and Cosby.  The Garden State native, much like Cosby, gave me the impression of being a passer first before looking for a way to take it himself.  Really a work in progress from what I've seen early on.

Haralds Karlis: By far, the best of the newcomers.  Karlis is most effective when he has an open shot, but does things inside that most European players struggle to figure out early on since they're still adjusting to the American style.  Older NBA fans will agree with me when I say he reminds me a lot of Sarunas Marciulionis, the Lithuanian guard who played for the Golden State Warriors in the early 1990s alongside the "Run TMC" trio of Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin.

Brian Oliver: He won't be eligible this year since he just transferred from Georgia Tech, but this kid is the new Jeremy if ever there could be one.  A shooter by trade, Oliver would turn the Pirates from bubble team to tournament team if he were able to play.  He'll definitely be one to watch in 2012.

Gene Teague: I've seen him before since I follow the Missouri Valley Conference (where he played at Southern Illinois), closely.  A 6-9, 290-pound post presence that could be either really good or really bad depending on how he handles the Big East.

Freddie Wilson: Could be the real X-factor for the Pirates.  A 6-2 freshman from New Haven, Wilson is more of a pick-and-pop guy who can drain an open shot rather than the conventional point guard you might think he is at first glance.  This kid hit nearly every shot I saw him take in practice; and if he sees a considerable amount of playing time, he'll have opportunities to really change games for the better.  To those that haven't seen him, he reminds me of a smaller Jamal Crawford when the NBA veteran is on a hot streak.

This FanPost was made by a member of the South Orange Juice community and is to be treated as the opinions and views of its author, not that of the blogger or blog community as a whole.

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Conference in Crisis

Really great to hear the team is looking good, I think we all know we were better then people think…Our conference to say the least is treading water. I’m not sure Willard’s recruits as well as the other lower tiered schools, have the same shot at recruiting top 100 kids at this point. The BE needs to step it up now. Rick Pitino is the only voice really speaking up on behalf of our conf. He wants Temple and Memphis to take the place of Cuse and Pitt, keeping the conf strong. … sounds good. Has Willard commmented on anything thus far ???Maybe the coaches don’t have much to say towards defections and the like, but at least Pitino is speaking. I would really like to know what our head coach is thinking and what he would like to see happen with our conference, and then put it out there!!!! The glass is half empty right now it needs some help….

by Kevin Gilroy on Oct 27, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It's tough

Pitino is a big name and his words carry weight (to a degree). Additionally, Louisville has a football program. Clearly Willard wants to be in the best conference in America, but SHU doesn’t really have a say because of 2 things:

1) We don’t have a football program
2) As you say, we’re a “lower tiered” program… for now

You hit the nail on the head… the Conference is in crisis.

by HallBall99 on Oct 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

CIC....

Tks HB99 ………. Where is any of the alumni or student base commenting other then me on the Juice?……What did I getomething it wrong ? Where art though ?……….Whatever…. Class of 89.

by Kevin Gilroy on Oct 27, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

2007, here.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

2009 here

I agree with a lot of what HB99 said.

Though the more I think about it, I wouldnt be terribly upset if the 7 basketball only schools stayed together and added teams like Butler, Xavier, Dayton, VCU and Richmond. And kept the “Big East” name, of course.

by captainspoon on Oct 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here, I could count the number of Big East football games I watch every year on one hand.

Get rid of em all. Be gone. Enjoy UConn basketball not eligible for the ’13 tourney.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff from Jaden, but I disagree on a few points.

To me, Freddie Wilson will not be the x-factor as he’s going to struggle to find minutes. Although Jordan is the x-factor to me (the team goes as he goes), I think Fuquan will be the real x-factor as Willard stated as well. Fu’ needs to elevate his game in his second year as the team tries to overcome the loss Of Jeremy’s production.

Also think it’s too early to call Karlis, the best newcomer, “by far.” By all accounts, Cosby has been the standout frosh in practice and I expect him to start from day one, occasionally spelled by Karlis based on matchups.

Although he’s bulked up, Aaron Geramipoor needs to prove a lot on both sides of the floor before we can legitimately consider him a serious inside threat.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 27, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Willard is currently on the fence

about whether to start Cosby or Karlis. That should tell you all you need to know about Karlis so far. He really was impressive in practice yesterday, and BOY can he shoot. Cosby looks good as well, but it was my first time seeing Karlis live and I loved what I saw.

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by JPGuerette on Oct 27, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hearing Cosby will get the first crack to start at SG

… however, these two scrimmages coming up will go a long ways to settling that for sure.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, as I've noted previously, as of today, Freddie is the starting PG in 2012-13.

Many have disagreed with me saying that Cosby will be the point guard next season if one hasn’t been brought in, but I don’t see it happening. Cosby is most talented off the ball at the 2 and forcing him into playing the point would not be beneficial for the team, or Cosby’s game. I don’t expect to see him playing much point this year other than an occassional spell for JT when we need Aaron’s production on the floor or in an emergency pinch.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct on Cosby as a PG

Willard said he’d pretty much be a 2 and only that because they need his scoring. He said Wilson/Grennan would spell Theodore when he needed it. I found it interesting he mentioned Grennan, but even he did ok in practice- definitely better than he did at the JSBL.

Everyone got after it and was focused. That’s the main thing I saw, in addition to Theodore and Pope showing great leadership.

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by JPGuerette on Oct 27, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember all heat I was taking here when I said Cosby is not the starting PG in 2012, as of now it's Freddie Wilson.

I still think Sean will play more 2G than running the point when he does see the floor. Will probably be a case where Sean will play off the ball on the offensive end and defend the opposing team’s point guard on defense, should the situation allow it.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although Patrik may have been playing SF in some practice situations yesterday afternoon, he'll be playing PF this year.

Unless he’s on the floor at the same time, with Pope and AG.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm told 2012 PG Josh Gray (Phillis Wheatley, Houston), will come down to, "Seton Hall or Houston, period."

I tweeted yesterday that I expected him to land in either Houston or Seton Hall, but my source reaffirmed my belief this afternoon.

My source is also confident that Gray will ultimately land in South Orange. Of course, he told me the same prior to Houston getting in the mix and remember, Gray’s visit is scheduled for mid-week, next week. As long as the unofficial goes well at it possibly could without any hiccups, I really like our chances to land this kid. Now, I won’t put a percentage on it, but things are looking promising.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Gray will be a terrific fit

"A new era has dawned in Maryland Athletics..."

by bball purist on Oct 27, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Gray

I was impressed watching Gray’s video, he would be a great addition to the Seton Hall Basketball Team. He is taking an official visit to SHU next Wednesday till Friday.

by shu1958 on Oct 27, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

If Gray picks

Houston, he’ll have to wait at least a year or 2 before they can be integrated into the BE. He won’t wait, if he really wants to play in the BE. Welcome to South Orange, Josh Gray!

by fouline on Oct 27, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Darion Clark

bball purist Seton Hall is now involved with Darion Clark from Oak Hill. Did you mention him in the past? I read that he is an excellent athlete(played football also) who is tremendous at grabbing rebounds. Is he a Big East Level recruit?

by shu1958 on Oct 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Do you follow us on Twitter? Had a bunch of info on Clark last night...

Also considering URI, Charlotte, FGCU, UNCG (some competition).

From ESPN (early ’11):

Chiseled frame, with bounce off the floor, can score on low block with eitehr hand, face-up jumper from 8-10 feet. Great upside, controls paint with size, strength, athleticism, ability to makes plays by using strength to his advantage. Needs to become more consistent on the defensive end, ability is there, effort in question.

Keep in mind, we will not be taking a 2012F unless we have a transfer (or two) following the fall semester.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the level of competition recruiting Clark

I’d be led to believe, while athletically and physically, he might be capable of competiting in the Big East, he’s probably too rarw, thus the tremendous upside.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Oct 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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