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Seton Hall Basketball: Freshman Progress Report

My initial intention for this story was to grade each of our freshman regarding their performance as a Pirate thus far, but instead, I decided to go all Brown University on them… and not (Brown doesn't give traditional grades of A, B, C, etc.). After recapping each individual player’s development, it just didn’t seem to make sense at this point in the season to provide such an assessment; too incomplete and subjective a sample and not to mention, woefully unoriginal. That said, I have observed a multitude of development with each player since they initially arrived in South Orange (with clear variances between players), so perhaps I’ll write another piece at the conclusion of this season when there is more of a complete body of work from which to evaluate.

So, let’s get to it, mmk?

Aaron Cosby - Guard - After losing the third most prolific scorer in Seton Hall Basketball history to graduation last year, I would have never envisioned that a freshman shooting guard would come right in and make me forget(ish) about said scorer. Jeremy Hazell was awfully fun to watch, wasn’t he? He used to drill three’s from Nutley and could, on any given night, drop 40. True story. Sadly, the result often ended up on the wrong side of the Win / Loss column. As an aside, after seeing exponential improvement in both Jordan Theodore and Herb Pope, it makes me wonder what type of player Hazell may have evolved into under the tutelage of Head Coach Kevin Willard and staff - neither here nor there, I suppose.

Cosby has started all 17 of the Pirates’ games and is averaging 30.5 minutes per game. He really has a sweet stroke from behind the arc (giggity), and his elevation and quick release is impressive for a freshman. He reminds me a little of Brian Laing with a better / higher release point without the sky-high elevation. His shooting percentage has improved over the last several games, and he’s shooting 42% from deep but just 40% from the field; clearly a 3-point shooter thus far (Fuquan Edwin leads the Pirates in 3-point shooting percentage, shooting 45%). Much like fellow freshman Brandon Mobley, Aaron Cosby stepped up in a big way against then #8 UConn drilling 4 of 7 three-point attempts, tallying 12 points and dishing out 3 assists (both numbers higher than his season average of 8.4 and 2.5 respectively. Clutch.) It’s fairly common to see freshman hit the proverbial "wall" with high minutes played, but I’m certain that Coach Willard et .al are acutely aware of this. In fact, Cosby has dropped from 1st to 4th on the team in terms of minutes played since mid-December; shrewd adjustment, and one likely to pay dividends come mid-February and March. Love me some fresh shooting guard legs down the stretch.

It must also be noted how important extended minutes, games started and overall experience is to the development of a young player. Will Cosby turn into the kind of leader that JT has developed into by virtue of this opportunity? Time will tell, but enjoying this type of success as a freshman should also provide an understanding of what it can be / should be / takes to be successful. Speaking of leadership, we are currently seeing the fruits of said experience and leadership in both JT and Pope, and that is precisely what I believe (hope) Aaron Cosby is on a path towards over the next 3 ½ years.

Haralds Karlis – Guard - Seton Hall’s out of conference schedule allowed fans to see a lot of minutes from the incredibly athletic Karlis, averaging roughly 22 minutes per game. Karlis didn’t disappoint, as he showed flashes of tremendous skill and athleticism. His passing is always crisp with a bunch of zip on it, and I get the feeling he’s walking on hot coals – tons of energy. Since then, Karlis has seen a significant decline in minutes, as he is now averaging only 10 minutes per game in Big East Conference play (the bulk of those minutes came in mop-up time toward the end of the Syracuse massacre). In large part, Karlis’ dip in minutes is due to the return of fellow freshman Brandon Mobley, who was sidelined with a shoulder injury until recently. Additionally, Coach Willard explained that Fu is playing just "too well to be taken out" right now, so, no soup for you. I believe that Karlis will be an intricate piece for the future Pirates, but it will take him time to learn the American game, as it’s clearly been an adjustment for him, Auda and A.G. But again, I do believe that Harlds Karlils will have a bright future as a Seton Hall Pirate.

Brandon Mobley – Forward - Having recently returned to action myself after similar reconstructive shoulder surgery (and by action, I mean sitting at my desk enjoying a bottomless bag of red Twizzlers), I know how painful the surgical process, rehab and therapy is for this particular surgery; it’s ghastly. Mobley’s injury occurred over the summer, and he officially returned to game-play on December 18th, 2011 and has participated in all 8 games since then. In an effort to curb my expectations of the talented freshman, I set the bar very low in terms of projecting a realistic output for his production. Egg. Meet. Face. I feel fairly confident in saying that Mobley has far exceeded expectations to this point. More importantly, he appears to continuously get stronger, provide more minutes off the bench, and show that he’s really acclimating to Kevin Willard’s system. Think, for just a moment, about what it might feel to be a freshman coming off of a significant shoulder surgery – having yet to play at the collegiate level – and then return for Big East conference play (sans Mercer, Dayton and Longwood). That’s a tall order, and the freshman almost immediately responded in a way that shows character, poise and production.

YEKSHEMESH! Through just eight games, Mobley has averaged roughly 4 points, 4 rebounds and is giving his team an average of 16.5 important minutes per game off of the bench. Most notably, Mobley’s performance against then #8 UConn, was gargantuan. He poured in 10 points and grabbed 7 boards in the FIRST HALF of that game - off the bench. One might say it would be fatuous to tinker with a starting lineup that’s gone 15-2, has an RPI of 3, a SOS of 4 and is ranked #24 in the nation (honestly, people, how bloody brilliant is it to say "Seton Hall is ranked #24 in the nation"?). But, how long can Mobley remain out of the starting lineup, especially since Patrick Auda, to this point, isn’t having the kind of breakout sophomore season that most had hoped? To draw a parallel, highly touted recruit from the wrong side of the Raritan River, Myles Mack, now comes off the bench for Rutgers and is excelling in the 6th man roll. Perhaps Auda would excel in such a roll? Time will tell (dum, dum, dum – insert dramatic music).


Sean Grennan – guard - I like this kid. I do. He’s gritty, and he plays with intensity… when he plays. Look, I get it; Grennan appears to be a step behind in terms of skill at the Big East level (see the last 1:30 of the UConn game; the kid looked like Bambi on ice. Granted, that’s tough, tough assignment). That said, there is a lot of season left, so certainly things could change in terms of involvement and playing time, albeit unlikely unless there is an injury. At this point, we have a 17 game sample with which to evaluate our new players, and I simply don’t think that Grennan is a viable option at the starting point guard position in the Big East Conference moving forward. Additionally, if Seton Hall continues to win and remains in the top 25, invariably recruiting will pick up and more options will become available (look to the recent verbal commitment by blue chip recruit Acquille Carr.)

Close friend and avid reader of SOJ, Nick Raudenski, asked me why Carr committed so early, as he’s a 2013 recruit; my response was simple, we are winning now and Carr wants to be sure to cement his spot early before Seton Hall really becomes a viable destination for other big-time recruits. In fact, his coach called Seton Hall a "school on the rise" and indeed this is becoming more and more apparent on a national level. The Carr signing is essentially the inverse of a school trying to land a player whose recruiting is beginning to "blow up". However, if Grennan continues to work hard, and by all accounts, this kid REALLY gets after it in practice and pushes JT to work hard, he may be able to develop into a reliable backup point guard.

Freddie Wilson – Guard - Freddie is a player who I just can’t get a great read on. He’s averaging 7.3 minutes per game and the most he’s played was the very first game (16 minutes) against St. Francis, NY (I still can’t believe we almost lost that game). Freddie has shown some flashes of being a guard who can slice to the basket, exemplified in this clip against Auburn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAzen-7GOoI Even last night, Wilson somehow drained a circus move layup against DePaul for which I have no video. Personally, I see Freddie as more of a viable candidate than Sean Grennan for the back up point guard position (although I think Grennan has a better shot from long range). To be fair, I just haven't seen enough of Wilson to make a truly informed evaluation. I do, however, think he has a good build for the position and again, under the tutelage of Associate Head Coach and point guard extraordinaire, Shaheen Holloway, Wilson may have the ability to be quite serviceable. I recall, vividly, having essentially zero faith in Donald Copland going into his senior year, and he certainly made a believer out of many of us. These kids can mature late and become smart and decisive players with a lot to give a team.

Kevin Johnson – DNP – Center - ineligible. Not too much to say here, but he was a part of this recruiting class. Sooooooo, there’s that?

In summation, I’m pleased with the Seton Hall freshman class. I believe these players compliment the veteran players very well. They appear to be good student-athletes (I’ve always maintained how important that is to me) and they play with a high basketball IQ. I look forward to seeing their continued development through the rest of their Pirate career.
As always, HAZARD ZET FORWARD!

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Hazell Who?

I would much rather watch 5 guys play together and put teams away than watch Hazell launch 3PAs all night. This season has been more fun to watch then all 4 of Jeremy Hazell seasons combined.

by 2003pirate on Jan 12, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

I have a soft spot for Jeremy BIGG GAME Hazell. He poured his heart and soul into the team as best he could. Sadly, he had no direction from Gonzo.

I agree though – this team (TEAM!) is fun to watch.

I’ve really thought, a number of times this year, what it might have been like with a guy like Willard taking Jeremy under his wing.

Coulda woulda shoulda.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

I agree, I personally, loved watching Hazell.

Yes, he was a chucker. Yes, he shot us out of games just as often as into them, but you always had to tune in to see what, or from where he’d be making shots from next.

Louisville and WVU games stand out especially; that after being bad so long we knew we had one player that “COULD” allow us to compete with anyone, on any given night.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Willard & Co

Willard is here now and the Pirates are 15-2, 4-1. Dont live in the past and enjoy the present.

by 2003pirate on Jan 12, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is living in the past...

But Jeremy Hazell is a part of the Seton Hall Basketball history. Don’t forget, he ranks #3 all time in the history of SHU basketball (points).

Believe me, I think I can speak for the other members of SOJ when I say that we are tickled pink to be away from Gonzo and on to Willard.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's your JUCO PG recruit: Chris Jones

PG Chris Jones (Memphis, TN, “well traveled high” school player) in his freshman year at Northwest Florida State Junior College, the #1 Juco team in the nation.

I’m told the staff is recruiting him as a 2012 PG, despite being a freshman at NW FLA St. Originally thought of as a 2013 target (2 years of JUCO), his school is saying he’ll have enough credits (I believe it’s 30) to transfer out to a 4-year program, leaving him with 3 years of eligibility. How he could come up with 30 credits in one year is anyone’s guess.

He was ESPN’s 67th ranked player in the class of 2011 (HS), and the 13th ranked PG out of the class.
He was dismissed from Oak Ridge Military, last January, planned on enrolling at Brittain Academy, also in Charlotte, before returning to Memphis (Melrose) to graduate high school.

Originally commited to the UT Vols, it’s no surprise that he couldn’t qualify this season and followed his lead recruiter, and now head coach of NW FLA St., Steve Forbes.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

The Hazell injury

might have been a blessing in disguise. I remeber last year, hoping and praying that he wouldn’t reshirt the year…I loved the guy and I loved watching him play so much. But, I felt that the other players needed the experience and him eating up 40 minutes a game from the other guys this year would severely hurt Willard and his program. I was happy he decided to play out the year and not come back. The fruits of all this won’t be seen this year, but the next couple of years, as the Frosh and Sophs get older and can use their minutes and experiece from this year towards next year. I knew we might take a step back this year w/o Jeremy, so the overall record this year is awesome and a bonus, but the minutes that some guys got during Hazell’s injury, coupled with the 40 extra minutes this year each game, leads me to believe we are on the right track for the future.

by shufaninva on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

LOL......It's raining fruit.

Gonzo do you have a gut instinct on where Jones lands?Do we have any connection to this kid?

by Kevin Gilroy on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

If he's looking to start NEXT year, then we're the most viable option, no doubt, but will the Carr commitment scare him away?

Likewise, UConn is loaded at PG depth, can’t see him landing there and Louisville’s got Siva for another year and have pretty good PG depth in their future as well, so it’s anyone’s call.

Keep in mind, it’s still not 100% that he’s going to be eligible for next year. I’m told NW Fla St. is pushing that, but it shouldn’t be considered a, “done deal” yet. He’ll have to compile a ton of credits first.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning and losing is a curse and a blessing!

It’s a blessing in terms of fan appeal, attendance, recognition and recruiting. It’s a curse in terms of playing time for Wilson and Grennan. They get the short shrift because Willard has decided to go for not only the wins but the gaudy wins. It’s his one fault I see so far, actually the second. But we have no heir apparent PG next year. Both guys are talented, but as I said before, the ball boy has more court time. Now we have to waste a ship on getting another PG when what we have on the bench might be better. Right now the BE is in a down year. And we’re taking advantage of it. But what happens next year? Will it be our down year? Nice problem to have. Lots to think about.

by fouline on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure what you mean when saying Willard is going for the gaudy wins?

If you’re speaking of the DePaul game, we had no choice but keep our starters in after we let them back into the game. Sure, Willard could have worked them in little by little in the second half while holding a 20+ point lead, but once they were within 9 with 7 minutes to go, we really had no choice but to ride out the starters.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

When teams are up 8 to 10 points with 5 minutes left...

I think you have to have faith in the entire team bench and all.

by fouline on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with that, 5 minutes is a lot of time remaining.

Just look at what happened at the end of the UConn game, up 24 with 3 minutes remaining, Willard empties the bench, Huskies keep their starters on the floor. UConn throws on the full court press and puts together a 14-4 run.

I think the only player in question is Grennan right?

Wilson has been seeing some time as is and is averaging 8min a game in spelling the Best point guard in the conference. That’s not bad for a frosh.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

What's behind my paranoia and I'll admit that is...

what if something happens to JT? Where are we then? What’s the balance in terms of the risk? Maybe I’m more of a gambler.

by fouline on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Then we're in trouble LOL.

It’s like the NFL… what happens if your starting QB goes down? 90% of the teams are not going to be able to win a playoff game with their backup in the game. And no matter how many minutes Freddie or Sean get now leading up to this, injury scenario, if it’s to happen, we’d be done. No question.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing time

Yo fouline, at this point these guys will never get any time, til next year. Agreed we gots a problem. Do you think he should play these guys at this point or did Wiliard go to far down this path. Seriously what would you do if you were the coach as of now? I’m curious!

by Kevin Gilroy on Jan 12, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I have to get them in every game.

Even for 2 minutes. They have to stay part of the team. They have to experience live fire. And the staff has to have time to evaluate outside of the practices. i.e Grennan has ball-handling problems. In practice I bet he doesn’t experience that problem. But in a game he does. He can learn and the staff can evaluate. Everybody wins. My only cop-out is that I’m not at practices. And I don’t know anything about their internal evaluations of players. We just have to find a way to give them a chance or it may come back to bit us.

by fouline on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to disagree

Willard has used his bench masterfully (see the 14-2 record). 2 min’s per game? A LOT can change in two minutes. A lot.

You have the best point guard in the Nation. If you’re up big or down big with a few min’s to go – you use the other guys to give them that experience. Willard has done that with WVU, UCONN and Depaul.

Like Gonzo said, our guys fell asleep and they cut it to 9 and were coming on strong.

You can NEVER look back at a game and say, “Sheesh, we shoulda left our best players in there to win that game, huh.” Never.

Remember, JT and Pope are seniors. Freddie and Grennan are freshman. JT didn’t get a TON of playing time his freshman year and he was a MUCH more highly touted recruit than either Freddie or Grennan. He sat behind Nunu and got his min’s when he could.

And as for the fruits comment. Yikes. You don’t think we’re seeing that now? Ranked for the frst time in 11 years? I’m pickin’ at some low lying fruit and it tastes mighty ripe (I’m disgusted with myself for that last comment… but I won’t delete. I won’t).

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice to have these

debates vs the “How will we ever be relevant again?” discussions huh?

by shufaninva on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Any day my man, any day!

That day is now. Wow, we’re getting very cliche on the Juice today. It’s raining fruit, (so) JUICE!

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Will Carr take offense to recruiting Chris Jones???

If he does become eligible for 3 yrs does Carr get upset, which he could be doing right now? I’d say no, if only for only 2 yrs, but 3 could start some trouble anyone concur? Whats Cosby thinking ???

by Kevin Gilroy on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Cosby's thinking that he's a 4-year starting SG, which he is.

It’d be silly to move him anywhere out of his position. He’s most dangerous from the 2G with the ball out of his hands, giving himself to set and shoot. Give him the ball and the responsibilities of bringing it up, breaking the press and orchestrating the offense and you’re suddenly taking his best weapon away from him. You won’t see him as this team’s starting PG, ever.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep - me too.

Fu is a flat out stud. He’s going to be an absolutely tremendous player his junior and senior years. Hard to believe he’s this good in the middle of his sophmore year.

Cosby is still young, so the jury is still out to a degree – but I agree that he appears to be a legit 2 guard in the Big East and a very good one at that.

As I mentioned in this article, his 3 point shooting % is greater than his overall field goal % so I’d like to see him work on his mid-range jumper a LOT this summer – and I think he has the physical ability to slash to the hoop. He needs to explore this part of his game too (I’m sure Sha will work with him this summer).

The scouting report is that he’s not going to drive – he also won’t shoot the mid-range jumper so defenders can cheat and get all up in his Cheerios (hand in face) for the anticipated 3 ball. You have to keep them honest – and the only to do that is to have a mid-range game and be able to take someone off the dribble.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets not put the cart before the horse...

I like Fu as much as the next guy – but making the NBA is very, very difficult.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm loving Fu too, but...

I foresee some growing pains next year without Jordan. Offensively, I think Fu is the beneficiary of some great passes from JT when he cuts to the basket. Defensively, JT’s pressure on the passer has led to a ton of Fu’s steals. I think Willard will feature Fu more on offense next year, and he will have more of a leadership role – I just hope he adjusts well.

I remember being similarly excited for John Allen to take over his senior year once Barrett left, but that season ended up being a huge disappointment.

by jrockt7 on Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better myself

Fu is definitely loving being the third “worry” on this team for opposing teams. He will certainly play a different roll next year – but don’t forget, we’ll have a VERY good shooter in Brian Oliver and a big, big man in Eugene Teague.

The biggest issue, clearly, is at the point guard position. But don’t think, for even a moment, Willard and Co. don’t know that.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don't believe Carr would take any offense to it.

Carr’s a competitor and has said he’s not expected to be given anything. He’s coming in to earn his PT on the team.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely agreed

Carr is NOT the kind of kid to not want to go somewhere because there’s a good PG there the year before.

Make no mistake, Carr is the heir apparant to Theodore (we need a VERY GOOD stop gap, however).

Carr will want to bust it and play as well as he can play. Additionally, he wants to win, so he’s going to want great players and depth at every position.

Like we were just discussing, if (God forbid) JT went down, we’re sunk. A team like Syracuse would be able to withstand such an injury to a much greater degree.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

2013 SG Chris Thomas' grandmother tells Adam Zagoria that Seton Hall is not actively involved in his recruitment.

Looks like Carr is the only one doing work for SHU right now.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

hmm

wonder if that will change.

by ouellery on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Spoke to NW Florida State College's head coach, Steve Forbes tonight.

He informed me that Chris Jones was a non-qualifier coming out of high school. He in fact, will need to stay at NW Florida State JUCO for two years and receive his associate’s degree. He will be eligible to play DIV-1 basketball in 2013-2014. Although, I don’t think he’d want to come in the same class as Aquille Carr, the other four BE schools involved all have a lot more PG depth than we do. I think if our scholarship situation was better, we’d have more of a shot, but don’t know that our needs will allow us to use another ship on a point guard.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 12, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

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