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Seton Hall Basketball: JP's Game Preview- Notre Dame Fighting Irish

This week is huge for the Pirates.

I'm not saying it will necessarily make or break their season, but often in Big East play, one loss can easily turn into two, which turns into four, etc... I said last week that Seton Hall needed to nip the lack of team play that marked the end of the USF game in the bud on the Main Line. It didn't happen. As a result, the Pirates are coming off their worst loss of the year, while Notre Dame is coming off one of the biggest wins of the year by any team, knocking off #1 Syracuse in South Bend. Seton Hall hasn't lost at home yet this season, and if they want to keep the two losses from snowballing into something that could make/break the expectations of many for this season, this game and the game on Saturday are paramount in their importance.

Here's what you need to know about Notre Dame:

Notre Dame

2011-12 record: 12-8 (4-3 Big East)

All-time series record: 8-17

Last meeting: 2/26/12 (60-48 SHU L)

Right away, you'll notice that the Irish's record in-conference is the same as Seton Hall's, in case you were wondering if there was another reason this game is big. Also, you'll notice the absence of Tim Abromaitis, a preseason First Team All-Big East player who is out for the year with a torn ACL. The last time the Irish came to the Rock, Luke Harangody came down awkwardly and ended up being lost for a few weeks after that. When he went down, Mike Brey (who really doesn't get enough credit for the coaching jobs he's done the last few years) slowed down the tempo, switching to the "burn" offense you may have heard of.

It's the same thing this time around with no Abromaitis. The burn offense seeks to minimize possessions, putting a greater emphasis on execution and shot-making, and for a team missing its best offensive weapon by far, it's been successful. The statistical numbers are like the record for Notre Dame- average in most every category. They are a team that historically is an offensive-minded team that shoots the three well, but they're 13th in scoring and 3-point percentage this year.

The Irish aren't talentless, though. Eric Atkins leads the team in scoring and he's a quick guard out there on the court to whom attention needs to be paid. Jack Cooley (who resembles Harangody almost to a T in physical appearance) is a wide-bodied, strong center who's having a very good year in his first year as a starter. Scott Martin was a big shot-maker for Mike Brey last season, but this year, he's struggling mightily with his outside jumper. Alex Dragicevich and Pat Connaughton (the lone true frosh on this team) are capable shot-makers. Connaughton is a deceptive athlete as well.

The most intriguing player the Irish have is Jerian Grant. He missed last year with an injury, but he's having a very quiet great year. He's right behind Atkins in scoring, hitting 37% from beyond the arc, and leads the team in free throw shooting and (despite standing 6'6") assists as well. He also doesn't turn the ball over, possessing an AST/TO ratio of nearly 3:1.

Against Syracuse, Notre Dame played their best possible game, knocking down their threes with regularity (sort of like the Pirates did to the Orange last season at the Carrier Dome) while holding the then-top team in the nation to a low shooting percentage. I don't think you'll see that performance again from the Irish, but it shows that anyone can beat anyone in the Big East this year. Seton Hall will need to bring their effort because the Irish certainly will.

Seton Hall will win if:

- They enjoy some home cooking. The Pirates are undefeated at home this season, and Notre Dame has always been a markedly different team on the road than they are at home; in South Bend, the Irish are very tough to beat, but on the road, they just seem to play differently. Coming back home (and having a week to prep) is exactly what the Pirates needed following a loss like Villanova was, and if things hold true to form for both teams, Seton Hall should win.

- They come out swinging. Notre Dame is a finesse team, reliant on their shooting touch and pace to out-execute opposing teams. What Rutgers did earlier this season was they came out with a bunch of energy that threw Notre Dame off their rhythm right away. Seton Hall surprised DePaul in this fashion, and if they can do it again, it will benefit their game.

Notre Dame will win if:

- They win the battle behind the arc. The Irish are 13th in the conference in three-point percentage, and 10th in three-point percentage defense. Seton Hall meanwhile leads the conference in three-point percentage and are second in three-point percentage defense. The numbers don't lie- if the Irish can make shots from out beyond the arc, and/or guard against the Pirate shooters, it will be a big stat in the game.

- They take care of the ball. Notre Dame's pace emphasizes possession. By default, that includes not turning the ball over. They didn't do a good job of that against Syracuse, but they generally take care of the ball. Seton Hall has an affinity for forcing steals, so if the Irish want to win, they'd better not turn the ball over 17 times again.

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If Seton Hall loses tonight against the Fighting Irish........

then I really don’t see Seton Hall getting the respect in the rankings for the rest of this season. It will be time to speak the truth, when Seton Hall finally gained that respect they couldn’t handle it. It scared them and they fell apart.

This game and the one on Saturday are very important games to win. It was constantly said in the last couple of weeks now that it was too early in the season to worry about being ranked. I disagree. When February rolls around each year the best teams usually rises to the top and it is harder to get them out of those positions Seton Hall needs to establish their position among the elite early and be assured that they get the attention for the rest of the year just to get favorable positioning in the NCAA Tourney.

As we witnessed when they were 15 – 3 they still weren’t getting enough respect from the Coaches Poll so it will take them more time to be convincing.

by Piratefocus on Jan 25, 2012 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Forget about the rankings.

Seton Hall was completely absent from all votes this week. If the Pirates win tonight and win on Saturday, they still wont be ranked on Monday, maybe they show back up with some votes. And then would have to sweep the next three games for a shot at ranking, its not realistic. The time to worry about rankings has come and past, as you more than likely wont see the Pirates in them for the rest of the season, unless they run the table the rest of the way which isnt likely.

A FANTASIC season would be 9-9 in BE play 20-10 heading into the BE tourney.

by 2003pirate on Jan 25, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

We were picked 13th in the BE. And we were not on the same planet when it came to the top 25.

We’re playing with house money. I thought if we went over 500 we should be happy. And if we made the NIT, were should be giddy. So at this point in the schedule, 20-10 and 9-9 is reasonable. The team is talented and the BE is down. We could go on a run. But it’s all house money now. Enjoy it. Cheer the team on.

by fouline on Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Looking at our remaining schedule I feel the following:

Worst Case: 9-9 in Big East, 20-10 Overall (10-12 seed)
Best Case: 12-6 in Big East, 23-7 Overall (3-5 seed)
Prediction: 10-8 in Big East, 21-9 Overall (9-10 seed – Hopefully the 10)

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

the rest of the season

comes down to the next 5 games.

vs ND
vs Louiville
@ Marquette
@ Conn
@ Rutgers

The Pirates NEED to go 2-3 in the next 5, they will be 6-6 with 6 to play. I would have much rather them be 6-1 at this point than 4-3 but hey thats how the cookie crumbles.

by 2003pirate on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

According to Zags Blog, since Chris Thomas has left South Kent

Seton Hall has reached out to him. Aquille Carr said that he was actively recruiting Thomas and Thomas is the #13 player in the class of 13. It looks like Xavier is the leader right now. I would list him, as Gonzo Ball calls it, an “extreme stretch target”.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Sloppy start

Neither team can hit a shot

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Fuquan with 2pts, 4reb, 3stl already

He will maintain his nation’s lead in steals

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

19-18 Notre Dame at half time

Jordan has 2 Points and 0 AST and SHU is only down 1. Very, very lucky. Throw in a 1-12 from Herb Pope and they should be down 20+ points right now. Great Defense is keeping them in this game

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Notre Dame starts 2nd half on a 10-1 run to go up 29-19 w/ 15:30 to go

Awful basketball tonight by the Pirates. They don’t deserve to win this and they probably won’t. How the hell are they playing this awful? There shots are not even getting close and now the defense is getting bad

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Notre Dame on verge of finishing this game

Up 38 to 25 with 12 to go and really starting to dominate this game. SHU defense has disappeared.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

Theodore is single handedly keeping us in this game

he is the ONLY player to score in the second half.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

No effort here in the 2nd half

Why the hell did they just quit? Nobody has scored except Theodore. Every other player on this team has quit and the defense is showing it. Notre Dame is scoring every time they get the ball. Embarassed does not even begin to describe how I am feeling. Saturday is a MUST WIN. Has Willard lost the team? It certainly seems that way.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

This one is over. THis was a total embarassment

If we don’t respond with a win on Saturday, are season could be heading to the tubes. I would call Saturday a must win because after that we are @Marquette, @Connecticut, and @Rutgers.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 25, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

How I feel

Pope is an unmotivated thug who underachieves.
Theo is a great leader but sometimes tries to do too much and ends up hurting us.
The Europeans are invisible.
Except for Cosby, the freshman have not shown me anything yet.
Cosby is too one dimensional, Mobley is Cosby but half a foot taller.
Fu always shows up on defense, but is prone to foul trouble and is inconsistent on the offensive side.
Willard, is better than Gonzo but needs to get some recruits. Just getting Aquille Carr won’t do it. We need to grab a few more top recruits in the 13-14 classes.
If we miss the tournament this year, and Willard can’t sign anyone but Carr, I could see him getting fired in a few years.

by SHUpirates06 on Jan 25, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

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