Seton Hall Basketball: JP's 5 Thoughts- UofL 60, SHU 51
It's official.
The Pirates' losing streak has gone from bad to painful-to-watch. The second half run was encouraging to see, but only a little. The game was decided in the first 10 minutes, when Seton Hall fell behind big right out of the gate to the Cardinals AGAIN.
Here are the 5 thoughts from another disappointing loss:
- Dead on Arrival
Seton Hall fell behind right from the get-go by a score of 15-4 in the first 10 minutes of the game. I thought that since the Pirates were at home, that the crowd would buoy them to victory. I maintain this would have happened, had the crowd gotten into it in the first place. I'm not saying the crowd wasn't pumped up, because they definitely were. Every mini-run the Pirates made, you could sense the crowd was waiting to explode. But it never happened. The fans wanted so much to cheer the team on vigorously from the outset. But the opening run disallowed that. It set the tone for the rest of the night.
Could you imagine if that late-game run could have meant more than just another empty run? It could have had the Pirates not fallen behind so big so early.
- "When You Think, You Stink"
That's a mantra my high school hoops coach used every day. Seton Hall could use a dose of it.
I don't know whether the losses to USF, Villanova and Notre Dame really rattled this team, or whether it's something else. But everyone (including the two seniors) is a step slow on offense right now because they're thinking too much. Coach Willard confirmed this in the postgame press conference, and it showed on the court. the wings aren't ready to shoot like they were earlier in the year, and the offense lacks flow in general. This is a very real issue that isn't easily correctable by any other means other than making shots. Seton Hall won't snap out of this unless that happens.
- Layups
It's the easiest shot in the entire game. And Seton Hall missed boatloads of them. There was a time in the second half that the Pirates pulled within nine. They got SEVEN straight defensive stops, but could not score because (mainly) of 3 missed layups. In fact, Seton Hall, according to ESPN's play-by-play, missed EIGHTEEN layups last night.
I wish I could go out there on the court and make the layups, but I can't. Just the latest in a series of various types of offensive futility since it broke down on the side of the road in Tampa.
- Too Little, Too Late
The Pirates did make a late run at the game, using a trapping press of all things and a man-to-man defense to force turnovers from the Cardinals, which the Pirates turned into points. They did this so well, in fact, that they cut the lead to just 4 (55-51) before free throws put the game out of reach in the last minute. Coach Willard said he was encouraged by the late run, and since I'd never seen the Pirates play either a man defense or press as well as they did last night. Honestly, that's the one thing to be able to take away from last night.
- Desperation
That's where Seton Hall is at this point. They have good wins over Dayton, West Virginia, and UConn. They also have a horrid loss to Villanova, a likely-to-be-worse-by-the-end-of-the-year loss to USF, and two losses that are wild cards in Notre Dame and Louisville. Heck, the UConn win isn't even a sure thing considering how the Huskies are playing. They are no longer in position to make the tournament, and here's why.
People keep saying that 20 wins (and therefore 5 more in conference play) will get them in. Fine, sure. WHERE ARE THE FIVE WINS? You can't tell me five sure wins at this point in the season. Rutgers? Only the home game is even remotely "sure." DePaul on the road? Ok, I can see that. St. John's or Pitt? Maybe. There are no others.
Rutgers is always tough at home, UConn and Marquette are looking like automatic losses right now based on the way the team has played (and those are the next two games? Goody...), at Cincinnati and home to Georgetown are looking similar.
I maintain that Seton Hall needs a big road win. With Cincinnati getting no love even when they're playing well, and thus leaving that game as a wild-card game, that leaves the next two games (and you know what? Probably only the next one following another UConn loss), especially Marquette, to get it done. You don't win either of those, in my opinion, and this team won't make the tournament. They won't have any quality road wins in-conference, and as everyone knows, the Committee, in sorting out who deserves to make it and who doesn't, looks for any holes in the resumes of various teams to distinguish one from the others. In a year where the Big East is eating itself alive even more than usual, the possible true quality wins are fewer than ever, and the next game in particular is the only remaining chance where you KNOW that it will stand as a quality win at the end of the year.
The road win is needed in the next two games also because the team needs a roster-wide shot of confidence, and in a big way. Going to either Milwaukee or Hartford and getting a W would do this.
I said the USF loss was bad because of how it happened as much as who it happened to. I said that needed to be nipped in the bud right away. It didn't happen, and now it's doing what I said it could do- fester into an extended losing streak that has a very real shot of breaking the Pirates' season after a 15-2 start. If both of the next two games end up in losses, you can push the panic button.
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Sometimes as a Fan........
When your team isnt doing well, you have to step back and look at your team more objectively. I love Seton Hall Basketball and will always support them, but at times not to be depress you have to look at what is real and what is not and provide support according to what needs to be done.
Right now, Seton Hall’s biggest problem is that they have no inside game at all in the Big East. Herb Pope just isnt good enough to be able to handle guys who are taller then he is. Then on top of that Pope is getting doubled and tripled team everytime he touches the ball.
Pope has gotten frustrated and really doesnt have confidence in playing the Big East
Teams. In the past when Seton Hall did well they always had a pure Center. Those Center was never a great scorer but they didnt need to be with others on the team that could supply that. Jacky Kaba, Charles Manga, Jon Garcia, Grant Billmeier were not good scores but they were good enough Center to provide good defensive presences underneath the basket.
Right now our only hope to return to that kind of team starts again next year. Right now because they have no inside game, Seton Hall’s Shooters are thinking too much about making the 3 point shots. That is pressure which has them putting up bad shots or just missing their marks.
Right now if they continue to play like this, then I really dont see another win in the remainder of their schedule. They are in the middle of losing the rest of the Big East Games
Fact- they live and die by the three
Teams are starting to realize that you have to beat SHU by playing a zone and forcing them to hit the threes over it before those teams can man up. What makes it doubly tough is that zone also limits the driving capabilities of Theodore (off of which most of the threes are created) because teams are conscious of the shooters when they space their zone out. That, and the lack of easy points in transition lately have stalled the offense. If this team doesn’t make the threes, they’ll be in games because of their defense, but won’t have the offense necessary to win. Against a man defense, the off-ball action and pick/roll combinations that the Pirates run works extremely well, getting the ball inside the paint or good looks from deep. But everyone knows this now- USF zoned up in the endgame, Nova zoned up, ND zoned up, and Louisville ran what was basically the same D that SHU runs.
It’s really sad that it’s come to this, but the book on how to beat SHU has been written. In the end, here’s really no substitute for making shots.
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In the past,
I would say this is true. but not this year. SHU’s weakness is exposed, and teams are playing them. Every game since the USF game has been a slow tempo, low possesion game forcing the pirates to overthink and over execute each possesion, leading to bad passes, turnovers, poor shot selection. I went to Depaul game where we put up 90 pts. Fu had 21 in the 1st half. Someone else said it, they just lost confidence in themselves.
In all their losses they had clear and open shots inside the paint...
and missed most of them. They had good game plans. They executed by getting inside but couldn’t finish. Also over the stretch of losses, some of the guys were turing down open 3s. Why? You don’t lead the BE in 3s then drop dramatically. They lost confidence. Why? They beat tough teams BE and OC. They played with passion and verve. They play so well in hostile enviornments. This is the same team. Why? 2s, 3s, inside/outside – they just don’t believe in themselves. And they won’t win until they do.
If we are going to offer every single CBA guy, why are we not seriously recruiting Boris Bojanovsky?
He is 7’3" and unlike all the other CBA guys, he is actually good. He averaged 18 points and 10 rebounds a game in the U18 olympics. Come on Willard
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 30, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions
When we reported that Willard was headed over there in October, I thought it was for Boris, but we have more pressing needs at PG.
He actually averaged 22/13 in this summer’s U18 Euro Championship. We’re keeping all options open, so of course we can and may get involved following the tour, so we can start 5 CBA players at one time!
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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 30, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yea but he is the only CBA player that actually puts up good numbers
and actually seems like he could be a fantastic player and he will be the one that we don’t try and get? It makes no sense to me. If you are going to build a pipeline to a school like the CBA, why not go after their best player?
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 30, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Little we can do now.
We’re technically out of room on the roster until if/when someone transfers. Tough to recruit freely under that premise.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
That is why I was not happy when we accepted Sean Grennan as a scholly player
It is clear that he is not a BEAST player and now we are losing out on the best player form our biggest pipeline. Hopefully somebody transfers before this kid decides where he is going to college so we can make a run at him. He seems like he could be an absolute stud.
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be fair.
The kid is a string bean, playing against a ton of undersized centers at the high school level that allow him to put up those averages. It’s entirely possible that he’s projects to a player of Geramipoor’s skill level at college. Already having a near 7-footer, it’s hard to fault SHU to go after another question mark, without addressing their need at PG. You have a point with questionable scholarship decisions Willard and staff made last year, but what’s done is done and we’ve got to deal with the hand that they dealt.
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by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. But not having any scholarships for two years is going to hurt Willard's recruiting a lot
It will also cause unbalanced classes and give us another situation like we are going to have next year with no seniors in like four more years.
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by seton hall and steelers on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Aquille Carr could be the next Sean Grennan
Great in High School, but how will that transfer into D1 play? Being only 5’6" i dont think he will be the college player everyone thinks he will be.

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