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Seton Hall Basketball: Seton Hall 66, Providence 57; Good Teams Win Ugly Basketball Games

Although the shooting form is nearly as ugly as tonight's play was, Fuquan's delivery was not.  His 24 points led the Pirates to their 14th victory of the season.

It's not always pretty, however, good teams will find a way to get it done. The Seton Hall Pirates did just that this evening, defeating Providence at the Dunkin Donut Center, 66-57. With the victory, the Pirates improved to (14-2, 3-1) and surpassed their win total from last season, on January 7th. Fuquan Edwin paced the attack for the victors, on a night where bodies were flying and ugly basketball was on display for the majority of the night.

The ugliest moment of the night occurred when Herb Pope positioned himself to take a charge from Gerald Coleman. Pope set his feet in time, but a leaping Coleman ended up raking Pope in his left eye before plummeting to the hardwood himself. Every Seton Hall fan held their breath as Pope reached to his face and slowly lifted himself off the ground. I certainly was thinking back to Jeremy Hazell's broken hand which derailed any possibility of a promising season last year. Surely, Seton Hall is further along this season in comparison, but the end result would have been the same, disappointment. Thankfully, neither player was seriously injured, Coleman returned to the game after a brief absence and Pope returned just seconds into the second half. Phew.

Missing their first four shots, the Pirates used the game's first 8 minutes to find their offense. When they finally took the lead on a Brandon Mobley layup with 12:30 in the first half they would not trail again the rest of the night. Sounds easy right? Not quite. Providence stuck with Seton Hall for the majority of the first half, tying the game on many occasions and pulling within 1 late in the second half. Leading by three points with 6 minutes to play in the first, Seton Hall wouldn't score another field goal until the 2 minute mark and when they did, their lead was extended to four. That's how badly both teams played tonight. It certainly wasn't a game tape that's going to receive a spin at a shooting clinic. Seton Hall somehow pulled out the victory on the road tonight shooting 34%, while getting blocked 17 times by the Providence bigs. That's not going to happen very often. The Friars outshot the Pirates by 10%, yet did so on 16 fewer opportunities, thanks to Seton Hall's 12 steals and 17 turnovers forced. The two main factors that got it done? Seton Hall's CONTINUED hot shooting from distance and secondly, Fuquan Edwin. Follow the jump for analysis of the player performances from another, Seton Hall victory.

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We've got to start it off with the player of the night, the nation's steal leader, Fuquan the Ninja, Fuquan the Quiet Assassin, FUUUUUUUUU, "Egg-Win" as one of the SNY personalities referred to him, call him anything you want, while I'll just call him a beast. Edwin went full-out beast mode tonight, drilling his first 5 three-pointers, giving Seton Hall fans everywhere flashbacks of Jamel Jacksons first 11 against VMI, two seasons back. Edwin finished the night with 24pts/9reb/5stl, nearly notching his second consecutive double-double and adding further proof that he's one of the better defenders in the nation with another five swipes. At least four steals a game is becoming a regularity from Edwin and when he only comes up with two in a game, such as against UConn, I find myself asking, "what happened to the other 2?" That isn't fair, but like I said, Fuquan's consistent, exceptional play is something I'm sure many Pirate fans take for granted. Classy move by Edwin to close the game. Edwin could have sent home an exclamation dunk in the closing seconds, all the while adding to his career high 24-point performance, yet he dribbled the ball under the basket and back out, holding it for the final horn. Gotta love watching him play.

Herb Pope struggled tonight after taking a shot to his left eye in the first half and yet, still recorded another double-double. Finishing with 11pts/10reb, nearly half of his rebounds came on tip-attempts off his own misses, including second and third chances. Credit to Pope for never giving up on a ball when it's above the tin, no question he's going to battle his defender, but tonight, he found his shot meeting countless Friar palms. Pope might have been blocked 10 times tonight, he shot 4-of-14, so it's entirely possible that ten (or more) of PC's blocks came against Pope. He needs to work in more pump fakes and moves on the baseline in order to convert high percentage chances or find his way to the charity stripe. Again, I won't take too much out of this performance, he did finish with a dub-dub, AFTER taking bad poke to the eye. Expect him to do work against DePaul's front line, come Tuesday night.

Just as we've seen a few times this season, despite a poor shooting night, Jordan Theodore found a way to put forth a terrific performance. Like his big man, he couldn't get it going from the floor, finishing with 14 points on 4-of-14 shooting, but when the team needed a bucket clinging to a one point lead with 3:30 to play, it was Theodore who drilled a 20-footer. You could see it in Jordan's eyes, the jumper sparked an eventual 12-4 run, in which JT also made 5 straight free throws to close the Friars out. The best point guard in the Big East was good for 9 assists, many of them dazzling finds to the interior. Theo also joined Edwin with a borderline criminal 6 thefts on the Friars. Add in another night of strict ball security and you've got a stat line of 14pts/9ast/6stl/4reb/2to. Yup, that's going to get it done.

Credit to Brandon Mobley (28 minutes) and Aaron Geramipoor (10 minutes) for stepping up in the absence of Herb Pope (while he sat with an injury in the first) and Patrik Auda (11 minutes), whose constant fouling wouldn't allow him to stay on the floor. The frosh finished with 4pts/7reb/2ast and while he didn't light up the stat sheet, he's now outplayed Auda the last two games. Additionally, the sophomore hasn't scored more than 7 points in his last four. I mentioned it following the Connecticut game, although we may not be at the point where Mobley should take Auda's starting job, it is awfully close. I understand Kevin Willard is unlikely to make a switch with Seton Hall sitting at 14-2 and winners of 11 of their last 12, but if we're going strictly by performances, the clock is ticking.

Finally, what an awful broadcast from SNY tonight. You can't broadcast a Big East contest on a Saturday evening in high-definition? That's pathetic. Syracuse and Marquette were televised right before Seton Hall/Providence and it's apparent that SNY brought all of their HD cameras to the Carrier Dome. That's small time. Furthermore, the announcers assigned to the game were pretty treacherous. I'm surprised they recognized the defenses that were being ran, as they butchered name-after-Seton-Hall-name. Fuquan, "EGGWIN?" Rant over.

Seton Hall returns home on Tuesday night for a date with DePaul. As I mentioned following the UConn victory, barring a loss at Providence tonight, the Pirates WOULD BE ranked come Monday. I'm fully expecting the Blue Demons to arrive in Newark to take on the #23 (#24th or #25th) ranked Pirates. We'll see.

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Nice Road WIN ... ugly or not!!!

Good news is that WVU beat G’town; that should help w/’da Hall getting some votes!

Bad news is that RU beat UCONN; that should show that Huskies are not a #8 ranked team! (nice ‘W’ RU ’n protecting our GR8 state … looking forward 2 c n u in a few weeks).

We’ll know late Sunday night if this is the week that our Pirate Ship sails into the National Polls … need to stay focused w/high energy and intensity next week and continue to bring back ‘The Booty’ … GO HALL!

by JerseyJerry on Jan 7, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

Herb needs to be stronger

Like you said Herb needs to add the extra element into his game. He has no pump fake, no hook shot and no spin move. All he does is post up and try to take a normal layup and on top of that he does not go up strong. If he went up strong a or did a simple pump fake tonite they probly would of won by at least 8 more points.
Even though Rutgers won tonite, this is our nite. We are going to be ranked, Rutgers is not. Rutgers basketball is an awful and it makes me mad when they get a lot of press. If Rutgers gets more attention in the newspapers than SHU does tomorrow i am going to be furious. I really cant stand Rutgers. Anyways i am glad that they won and the future looks real bright. Lets win the next few games, bump up in the rankings and beat Rutgers. This is our state and Rutgers isnt going to take it! Lets go PIRATES!!!

by setonhall44 on Jan 7, 2012 10:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Definitely Agree..

With the point about Rutgers. Yes they beat Florida that was a better win for them than beating Uconn. But you cant forget that they lost to USF and got HOUSED by WVU who we blew off the court at the end of the day youare what your record is Rutgers is 9-7 and 1-2 in the BE and we are 14-2 sitting at 3-1 second place in the BE. SHU certainly deserves the press and if Rutgers gets more I too will be angry but hey let them continue to ignore and underestimate us cause it will only fuel the fire. Just think if we keep on winning our next 4, all are very winnable, we will be 18-2!!! with a home date against Louisville. #PirateNation #DropTheHammer #shbb

by RK1212 on Jan 7, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Auda vs Mobley

The one reason I keep Auda in the starting lineup is stay with what is working. He has shown a lot of hustle on many plays and I believe having him out on the court with Pope also helps Pope to stay out of foul trouble. But I would have to agree that he needs to be smarter with the fouls bc most of them can be avoided. As for Mobley, he has showed that he can add valuable depth to the bench and often help to provide a spark. It is beginning to look more and more that he is the 6th man that we’ve been looking for this year.

by WT 06 Matty P on Jan 7, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

3 things...

1) Rutgers had a nice win against UConn tonight and also a few days ago against FL (who also lost at Tennessee today -
Yikes). They deserve credit, but let’s focus on SHU.

2) Mobley is coming off a big shoulder surgery. It will take him a while to get to where he should be, physically.

3) if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Auda has room for improvement, no doubt, but he’s a smart player and has a lot of potential (see the World Games for the Czek Rep).

Great week for Seton Hall. I truly hope all Hall fans are enjoying this moment.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 8, 2012 1:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Valid point on Auda, but at some point, talent and results will outweigh potential.

Plus, what’s Mobley’s potential?

As noted in the recap, I can agree with the idea that a change can’t be made while the team is winning, but I don’t necessarily agree with it. Auda can still contribute, and contribute well, by coming off the bench. It’s not as if we’re discussing moving a 20ppg player to the bench and hoping he can still bring something to the table. Who knows, what if moving Auda to the bench allows him to play more relaxed, maybe a weight will be taken off his shoulder and he’ll blossom as a sixth man. We see it happen all the time in the NBA where guys actually prefer to come off the bench.

I don’t think the change will be made until (unfortunately) we hit a losing skid, but again, that’s not a philosophy I agree with. I think you’ve got to start your best lineup from the jump and I feel Mobley on the floor is our best lineup. Then again, there’s a reason why Willard, and not myself, is coaching our guys.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

When Mobley is in "game shape" as a starter

I think he’ll (eventually) get the nod; I just don’t think the freshman is ready – physically. And like you said, probably won’t happen until SHU loses.

@robertmanganaro

by HallBall99 on Jan 8, 2012 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He looked pretty close to game shape ready last night, logging 28 minutes.

I don’t know how much of an issue his shoulder still presents this point, if any at all.

This isn’t directed at you, but I’ve heard/read from others that he gets pushed around the block on defense, and although I admit he’s still very skinny at this point, I just haven’t seen him get manhandled the way some believe.

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

About RU and Auda

We should not be focusing on the boys in Scarlet or what they do. It was that analysis that had people questioning Coach Willard a year ago because RU signed Miles Mack and won a few games. The goal is not being the best team in NJ, we have been sicne 1977. The rivaly is great (although too small from a numbers point of veiw) and there is nothing more satisfying than beating them but that is the small picture. The goal is to be best in the BE, and we are on our way.

Auda should not be the 6th man. He does a lot of the physical work needed for Pope, JT and Fu to do what they do. They seem to have great chemistry. He comes up with ponts and rebounds at critical moments. His unselfishness is what shows on the stat sheet. He is big and physical and this wears down the opponents. He also plays against the other team’s starter while some of Mobley’s time is when some of the starters from both teams have rotated out. This is NOT a knock on Mobley. I love what he does when he is in there. If the Pirates go on a losing streat, it will be because of the calaber of the opponent or because the team is not playing well, not because Auda is a starter. Auda earns it every time out.

by 11yearplan on Jan 8, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Good Win, SNY Coverage

This win was a good win for the Hall, in a game that was often ugly and sloppy but they prevailed. One thing I want to point is as you mentioned, how bad the SNY coverage was. A digital camera probably could have done a better job, with the quality of the how the game looked on the TV. And the announcers, were also in my opinion, just awful. The botched player names and almost seemed like they weren’t coherent during the game. That is just my opinion though.

by CMcCann on Jan 8, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

We did get their third booth and likewise, their third camera/equipment lineup.

The Connecticut/Rutgers game was also televised in HD. Oh well…

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Bye, Bye, Bobby!

by GonzoBallSHU on Jan 8, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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