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Seton Hall Basketball: JP's 5 Thoughts- MU 66, SHU 59

I don't know what to say, guys.

Seton Hall played relatively well for the first time in a while, and had their best half of basketball since the DePaul game. But they didn't get the win, what would have been a huge, enormous win in the final chance to get a true quality road victory this season.

Here are the 5 Thoughts from an exceedingly frustrating game:

- Opening Strong

The first 20 minutes of this game were phenomenal. Seton Hall came out of the gates and matched Marquette's intensity. They fed the ball down low to Herb Pope (16 PTS, 7 REB) in the absence of Davante Gardner, and Pope controlled the paint accordingly. The energy brought by a totally shaken-up starting 5 translated into the Pirates getting out and pushing the pace, which also helped them greatly. Seton Hall led by as many as 11 PTS in this half as they got contributions from Pope, Fuquan Edwin, Brandon Mobley, Aaron Geramipoor, and more. They were pressured by a tough Marquette man-to-man, and moved the ball, played for each other, and used enough shot-fakes to make Bob Knight blush in excitement. Tremendous first half, even if the score didn't show it due to some late Herb Pope foul trouble.

- Finishing Weak

While they weren't quite as easy as the layups they missed in the Louisville game, there were still way too many shots missed in-close. That's the first meaning of the thought title.

Second meaning? That's obvious- a huge Marquette run buoyed by the Golden Eagles finally making some threes and Vander Blue of all people exploding onto the scene with the best game of his career after a rough start put this game out of the Pirates' reach. More ridiculous hero offense from Jordan Theodore didn't help things.

In fact, the Marquette run was jump-started by a lob in transition to Blue for a 2-hand dunk. The crowd, which had been dormant the whole night, rose from the grave and helped their team out. I talk about these momentum plays all the time, and Seton Hall was on the verge of several in this game, but could never get them to follow through. That one play led to another, and away the Golden Eagles went. They also did a nice job of fronting Herb Pope in the post to deny him the ball- Jae Crowder was positioned in full deny position on Pope whenever Seton Hall would look for the entry pass, and Marquette's defender on the opposite side of the paint shaded towards the basket to prevent the lob pass over Crowder.

- Fantastic Freddie

The reason the Pirates were even still in this game after the big Marquette run was a totally unexpected source of offense. Freddie Wilson had quite the game- 7 PTS, 3 AST and 1 TO as he responded when the ball was put in his hands in the second half. He looked comfortable handling the ball against the Marquette defense, and he gave the team a spark down the stretch, although it failed to turn into a fire.

- Personnel Changes

I feel like this needs to be said at this point in the season. When I saw the topsy-turvy lineup that Coach Willard put on the floor, I was a little hesitant. After the first couple possessions, I wasn't anymore. Coach Willard shook things up by starting 3 new players in place of the usual starters, and it was great. If you look at the box score, everyone got involved and played their share of minutes.

But down the stretch of this game, there were a few things that could not be ignored. First, Jordan Theodore reverted to the hero offense. This killed the Pirates, and when Seton Hall could have gotten within two late in the ballgame, the one time Theodore should have gotten the ball, he gave it up to Edwin, and it turned into a shot clock violation. He did have a 7/1 AST/TO ratio tonight, which is nice, but most of those had to have come in the first half.

Theodore is the most important player on the team this year. But when Marquette got tough, and Junior Cadougan stuck to him like glue to deny him the ball if he gave it up, Theodore wilted and started doing too much dribbling. The argument this season has been that because no backup has emerged behind him, the Pirates have to leave him on the floor, and that's been true for the most part. But I think it's time to start giving Freddie Wilson more time, especially if Theodore continues to go back to his old, bad habits.

Second, it's time to give serious thought to cutting down Patrik Auda's minutes. Auda's confidence level is at the bottom of the ocean right now, and his jitters are affecting his play. It was so obvious tonight that 18 minutes he got were about 12 minutes too many. He's not even looking for his shot anymore from the outside, and when he does look to score it's always on bull-rushes to the rim with the left hand; these rarely work because defenses rotate over and make him miss. We're not even going to talk about rebounding- why talk about something that isn't there anymore?

Brandon Mobley (7 PTS, 6 REB in the same 18 minutes of playing time) gives the Pirates length and athleticism down low and also serves as the initial deny defender in the Pirates' press. You can't throw the ball to him on the block yet, but he's about a billion times more likely to help the cause right now. He even looks to shoot the three when he's open; sometimes that gets him into a bad shot or two, but the point is he's aware of when he has an opportunity to do so. It was the right move to start him against Louisville, and it's now the right time to give him more of Auda's minutes.

Can Seton Hall just bench Auda? Absolutely not. But they need to cut down his minutes drastically. Simplifying things for him can help him get his confidence back because if he's brought in to do a specific thing (such as hustle, look to shoot, etc...) in a smaller amount of time, it will help him immensely.

More minutes for Wilson and Mobley, and less for Theodore and Auda. I hope Coach Willard makes it happen.

- Life Support

As in, the Seton Hall NCAA hopes are on life support. The game with a sliding UConn team on Saturday is an absolute must win if this team is to not completely collapse from it's 15-2 start. The Huskies will have Jim Calhoun back, and will be out for revenge in front of their home crowd. I wish it didn't have to come to this particular game, but the Pirates have put themselves in this hole. If they don't want to get trapped down there, they have to beat the Huskies in Hartford. A full preview will be up here on the Juice on Friday afternoon. Can Seton Hall keep themselves from spiraling out of contention?

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The Pirates opened strong in the first 15 minutes.

The final 5 minutes of the first half were brutal. A 13-2 run (which should have been 15-2, if Marquette didn’t try to show boat to close the half) is inexcusable for a team playing essentially, a must-win, on the road in a tough environment.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I think the 13-2 run was the second half

but the final 5 minutes were crucial because of Pope’s foul trouble. They needed to keep the pace up and continue to score the ball to put pressure on what was (at that point) a sloppy Marquette offense. It didn’t happen. I kept looking down at the scoreboard and it was always closer than it should have been in the second half, and that’s due to the end of the first half.

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by JPGuerette on Feb 1, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops, I was off.

The Pirates led 28-17 with 5:03 on the clock and led at halftime, 30-26, a 9-2 (should have been 11-2) run in the final five minutes.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 1, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Auda

It feels like deja vu every time he has touched the ball in recent memory. I feel like I’m playing a broken video game when he’s behind the arc. You hit the shoot button only to have the button be stuck and all you keep getting is a head fake.

It’s tough to see a kid struggle like he has, but the confidence just isn’t there. Unfortunately Willard has given him too much of an opportunity to bust out. Besides Dayton, he just hasn’t been the player we were expecting. I’d like to see him lose some more minutes to Aaron (never thought I’d say that) and Mobley while allowing enough time on floor to potentially break out and earn the time back.

by Mitchell and Whitney on Feb 1, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

His confidence is at an all-time low. In numbers, I think about 10 minutes a game is just right for him right now, obviously in short stretches unless he starts playing better in those stretches. That won’t shut him completely out of the game, but it won’t keep him on the floor when he’s not helping for too long.

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by JPGuerette on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Few real opportunities to hit the shoot button

Auda has a low delivery on outside shots and the opposing teams know to go out and challenge.

My opinion: if he took most of those so-called “available” 3-pointers we’ve seen him pass up this year, they would have been blocked. And he knows it. Glad he didn’t.

by JJer on Feb 1, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Seton Hall has interest in 2012 SF Anthony January (Taft, CA)

-January decommitted from UTEP, last week.
-Attends Kevin Johnson’s former highschool, Taft HS in California.
-Has offers from Memphis, SDSU, UNLV, interested schools: Seton Hall, UCLA, Washington, Providence.
-The 6’8 senior is averaging 22pts/13 feb for Taft this season.
-Rivals 143rd ranked player in 2012, 28th SF and Scout’s 27th SF.
-Of course, we’re out of room, but we’ll continue monitoring player’s in the event of transfers/decommitments/Maayan’s health.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 1, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

From ESPN Recruiting:

Strengths:

January has a physically imposing wing-type with great length. He is an outstanding athlete that glides up and down the floor and he excels in transition. He can finish with contact on the break, usually with a thunderous dunk. He can rebound very well in traffic and he has very strong hands that snatch anything in his area. Once he grabs the rebound he can lead the break and either finish at the rim or dish it off to a teammate.

Weaknesses:

January has a load of potential, but he needs to mature in many areas of the game. He plays in spurts and has a tendency to take plays off and not play with a whole lot of purpose in mind. He takes ill-advised 3-point shots early on in the shot clock and his shot needs a lot of polishing. He needs to get more on balance (square up to the basket) when he shoots because his shot is very erratic and inconsistent. In addition, he can get very careless with his ball handling and as a result become turnover prone.

Bottom line:

With January the most important aspect of his growth as a player will be maturity. He has many of the physical gifts you look for in a high-major talent. He needs to tighten up many areas of his perimeter game and utilize his size and strength more inside than he presently does. His fundamentals and savvy need attention as well, but there is no question he is a talent.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 1, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If you look at the remaining eight games and figure we need five wins to get to the NCAA tourney here is what I see

Must Wins
@Rutgers
vs. Pittsburgh
vs. St. Johns
vs. Rutgers
vs. Depaul

We have to win these five games to avoid any more “bad” losses (although Pittsburgh might end up not being as a bad loss). Winning these five games and losing the others would put us at 20-10 and 9-9 with an RPI likely in the top 50. We would have quality wins @Dayton, VCU, St. Joes, vs. West Virginia, and vs. Connecticut along with a maybe quality win vs. Pittsburgh.

However, I think we need to take one of these games
@Connecticut
vs. Georgetown
@Cincinnati

To add one more quality win. The best chance is obviously the home game. Overall I think we end up losing one of the must wins but winning one of the other three (my guess is GTown). That would put us at 20-10 w/ wins over Dayton, Connecticut, West Virginia, VCU, St. Joes, and Georgetown and IMO that is an NCAA tournament resume. We would solidify ourselves with one or two wins in the Big East tournament.

SO overall, despite how awful this stretch has been, an NCAA tournament bid is still very possible and we have to continue to support this team and continue to show up at the home games and Rock the Rock

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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 1, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

NCAA Hopes

I believe are over. EVEN if the Hall gets to 20 wins, the selection committe will look at the BEAST tournament, and NCAA will be riding on what the hall does there. If the Hall is out in 1st or 2nd game, forget about NCAA, and I dont believe this team is strong enough to win 3 nights in a row (look at charleston)

by 2003pirate on Feb 2, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Volume Shooter Anyone?

I’m thinking back to last year when Hazell was playing and the big criticism of him was that he was a “volume shooter”. In our last 5 game run we have scored 70+ points once, 50+ points 3 times and 40+ points once. God, would I love to hear that criticism again about anybody on the team. Please, somebody step up and shoot yourself silly. It can’t be any worse than it is now… Actually I was also thinking that the guy with the best shooting % on the team has been nailed to the bench for most of the season. Small sample, but what the hell. Time is running out! ALL HANDS SHOULD BE ON DECK, WILLARD!

by fouline on Feb 2, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting point on Jeremy.

I’d be willing to bet if he redshirted last season, we wouldn’t have gotten off to the same 15-2 start. Likewise, we also likely wouldn’t have dropped 5 in a row. He would have shot us out of one/many, and shot us into one/many. Just the type of player he was.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking in the wrong place

This team doesn’t have that volume scorer. Seems like Theodore has tried at times, but fallen short contributing to a few of our losses with bad shooting performances. As Gonzo said Hazell would have been a double edged sword. He wouldn’t have started 15-2, but we wouldn’t have went on a 5 game losing streak.

by Mitchell and Whitney on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

With all the variations on a theme of losing that the bloggers are doing...

what it comes down to is, when Herb and Jordan were firing on all cylinders we were winning. Willard rode them into the court for the early wins and burned them out. And nobody but nobody was prepared to step in to cover the lost 10 to 15 points they were generating. Also the early win strategy made us all feel good but it won’t save us missing the Dance. BE wins are the key to admissions. Not St. Francis in November. Willard made a big mistake getting lost in the euphoria of the early wins . While other schools were exploring their bench Wilson, Grennan and to an extent Cosby were watching. And now when we need help from somewhere, anywhere the bench is still.. Well it took 18 games into the season to realize that Wilson can contribute.

by fouline on Feb 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

peaks n valleys

Life is Hard!!!! There are peaks and valleys. Highs and Lows.. What do we do when lie kicks us in the teeth? Do you lye down and except it or do you grab it by the balls and go for yours.. Personally I like the latter. Same with this team. They were picked to do nothing in the Preseason and they are doing more than what was excepted. All I read about is complaints about who didnt do this or who didnt do that, Shit get a grip people. Last year national champs was getting there asses kicked left and right. But what did they do grabbed life by the balls. This team will do the same. Im not saying theyll win the CHIP. But give them some support. Highs n Lows.. Oh yeah Get HIGH 2!!!!

by likwitdraino on Feb 2, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

We support the team.

Analyzing the game and pointing out players who aren’t playing well, or a blunder by the coach, doesn’t mean we’re not supporting them. We cover the highs-and-lows, whether we’re winning or losing. Yes, it’s a fan site, but that doesn’t mean we have to have pom-pom’s out 100% of the time. If we weren’t fair and critical when they deserve it, nobody would read.

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by GonzoBallSHU on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We should not get ahead of ourselves but the Pirates have a better chance for the first must win if ...

we make @RU a home game. I have watched some of thier games and we have better and deeper talent. Eli Carter will shoot them out of games, especially if he takes thoes crazy shots from another foot back. With Gerimapoor, Karlis and Wilson coming on strong, the Pirates will be ready. RU plays well there becuase the facility is smaller and feels more like a pit when it is full of scarlet.

For now, don’t worry about either tournement or dwell on what would have been. This is a young team with a lot of raw talent that is developing every game and a young coach who is emerging. We should enjoy the ride, knowing their inexperience wll create inconsistency, and realizing that they will come back this season and that the future looks bright.

However, no one should overlook the game on Sat. They can win that as well. Imagine how things would look with two road wins in a row.

by 11yearplan on Feb 3, 2012 5:32 AM EST reply actions  

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